tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5946578971422285697.post8069628083241658777..comments2023-10-29T05:54:30.033-04:00Comments on The Lineal Arboretum: Stanley Sudeikis Was Not A BigamistJim Owstonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13489905161227202406noreply@blogger.comBlogger72125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5946578971422285697.post-65724636629520430052013-02-19T17:58:58.767-05:002013-02-19T17:58:58.767-05:00My great grandfather owned a boarding house in 191...My great grandfather owned a boarding house in 1910 for Lithuanians on wood street in Chicago. That was the year my grandmother was born. He also owned a boarding house in Woodruff, Wisconsin.Rhinetownerichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18410123793102803743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5946578971422285697.post-50516012423567967202012-06-29T21:17:14.423-04:002012-06-29T21:17:14.423-04:00Kay:
Thanks for the comments. We actually found ...Kay:<br /><br />Thanks for the comments. We actually found the family in the 1940 census as well. The name is Von Dietsch. Check out our continuation of this project at http://www.albionseed.org/genealogy/index.php<br /><br />JimJim Owstonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13489905161227202406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5946578971422285697.post-10358976717776299192012-06-26T23:19:00.823-04:002012-06-26T23:19:00.823-04:00I found these discussions very interesting. You f...I found these discussions very interesting. You folks can be on my team anytime! I, too, had many questions after this episode. Another point that wasn’t discussed was what became of the child with the reported '2nd' wife.<br /><br />(I should add that someone on this posting stated she married and had been found on a family tree - I would be very interested in knowing what family tree that was. And more importantly, to check the resources. Having said that, I have serious doubts this ‘2nd’ family really was a ‘2nd’ family, but no stone should be left unturned.)<br /><br />I found the ‘2nd’ family in New York in 1940:<br /><br />1930 Fairfield, Fairfield, Connecticut Census<br />-Congress Street <br />Stanley Serdickis 37 Lithuania<br />Amelia Serdickis 35 Lithuania<br />Julia Serdickis 9<br /><br />1930 & 1931 Bridgeport, CT, City Directory: <br />Stanley & Millie A Sudeikis<br />Street Address: Congress n Hillside rd Fairfield, Bridgeport, Connecticut<br /> <br />And by 1940, Amelia is remarried with her daughter in New York.<br /><br />1940 New York, New York, New York Census<br />Street: 31st Street<br />Alfred Dondietsch 38/1902 NY; Food Handler-Hosp<br />Amelia Dondietsch 43 Lithuania; new worker?<br />Judie Sudeikis 19 CT stepdaughter<br /><br />I cannot locate the surname DONDIETSCH…<br />The closest I came was an: Alfred Dantowitz Birth: abt 1906 Death: 6 Oct 1960Kayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00977540305073930106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5946578971422285697.post-56784618359347227292012-06-08T00:45:53.673-04:002012-06-08T00:45:53.673-04:00The Ys are of different construction and the tail ...The Ys are of different construction and the tail on the Y from the Bridgeport Stanley heads down and the upper dot is really a line skip from the fountain pen. It really should be a continuation of the Y. The loops in the S, L, and D are different. The T has a different construction. The final S is different as well. The Chicago signature is not as neat as the Bridgeport one.Jim Owstonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13489905161227202406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5946578971422285697.post-79617100939425920252012-06-07T19:26:21.098-04:002012-06-07T19:26:21.098-04:00Their signatures look very similar - the dot above...Their signatures look very similar - the dot above the 'y' is uncommon, and the two signatures share it. There are some Lithuanians that Anglicize their names (because Americans can't pronounce them), and Mary Gash could be Marijana Gecaite. Michalina Bielska is definitely not a Lithuanian name - it's 100% Polish, which could suggest that either Jason has some Polish blood or the name has been Polonized. Since former Lithuanian nobles then had Polish names, she could've come from a noble Lithuanian family.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5946578971422285697.post-6343011233175002862012-05-26T21:15:36.585-04:002012-05-26T21:15:36.585-04:00This 1920 census listing might be Nikodemas, or an...This 1920 census listing might be Nikodemas, or an abridged version of the name. There is a WWII draft registration form for Nikodemas Sudeikis, living at 3544 Parnell Ave. in Chicago. The form said he was born in 1887 in Skirzemin, Lithuania.Peter Bushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09179862082492810033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5946578971422285697.post-46310795822088547572012-05-26T14:02:21.121-04:002012-05-26T14:02:21.121-04:00Angela,
I hope it works out. Would he/she also b...Angela,<br /><br />I hope it works out. Would he/she also be willing to look in Bridgeport for the death record of Mary, Stanley's mother? It looks like Mary remarried soon after the death of her first husband Joseph. Mary and her second husband, Stanley Kollitsch/Coolidge, were living in Bridgeport in 1920. In 1930 Stanley was listed as a widower. So Mary presumably died in Bridgeport between 1920 and 1930. (See my earlier comment for more details). <br /><br />Mary's death record could give us a lot of useful information. For example, what if Stanley Sudeikis was the informant?<br /><br />PeterPeter Bushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09179862082492810033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5946578971422285697.post-57537166471247315942012-05-26T11:37:09.515-04:002012-05-26T11:37:09.515-04:00Thanks for the additional info Jo. We are putting...Thanks for the additional info Jo. We are putting together a working group on this project. If you would be interested in participating, please email me at jowston@mountainstate.edu.Jim Owstonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13489905161227202406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5946578971422285697.post-67215832454092128582012-05-26T11:36:04.123-04:002012-05-26T11:36:04.123-04:00Thanks Angela. We are putting together a working ...Thanks Angela. We are putting together a working group on this project. If you would be interested in participating, please email me at jowston@mountainstate.edu.Jim Owstonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13489905161227202406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5946578971422285697.post-11267476169349448772012-05-26T07:15:02.612-04:002012-05-26T07:15:02.612-04:00Just a little I've gleaned about how the censu...Just a little I've gleaned about how the censuses were taken from various sites including the US Census Bureau. Starting fairly early in the 1800's, printed forms were given to the enumerators who went from household to household. There was one form per household. These were delivered to the county court house where an enumerator or clerk copied the info onto the forms we see. There were 3 copies made, each from the original enumerators' forms. One copy went to DC ro the census bureau, one copy went to the state capitol, and the third copy stayed in the county. Sometimes you can find these "other" copies in court houses or state or county archives. They are also sometimes different from the one that went to DC as each was made from the enumerators' original forms and possibly made by s different person who read the handwriting differently. The digitized census pages we see at Ancestry and other places are from microfilms at NARA which were made from the copies sent to the census bureau in DC. So, ALL census pages we can access are in effect copies of the enumerators' original forms. Unlike books in court houses, nobody recopied these pages. They are original in the sense that they are digitized microfilmed versions of the census pages sent to the census bureau at the time they were made. The copuing from the enumerators' forms did, however, introduce another avenue for mistakes.-------Johttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11921136784000325813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5946578971422285697.post-41405248238402971272012-05-25T23:37:24.819-04:002012-05-25T23:37:24.819-04:00I have someone who might be able to make it there ...I have someone who might be able to make it there next week. I will keep you all posted =0)<br /><br />Angela-Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5946578971422285697.post-23613759407595180542012-05-25T20:49:04.242-04:002012-05-25T20:49:04.242-04:00I'm game.
JimI'm game. <br /><br />JimJim Owstonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13489905161227202406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5946578971422285697.post-75786281315363847102012-05-25T17:35:47.340-04:002012-05-25T17:35:47.340-04:00Angela,
Good find. I'm sure "Mihoney&qu...Angela,<br /><br />Good find. I'm sure "Mihoney" was related, if he wasn't our missing Stanley. He was living at 4453 S. Wood St.; Stanley's sister Maryanna (Sudeikis) Pukelis was living at 4530 S. Wood St. in 1920. Too close to be a coincidence.Peter Bushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09179862082492810033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5946578971422285697.post-83755690104241590812012-05-25T16:22:30.671-04:002012-05-25T16:22:30.671-04:00Angela and Jim,
If no-one comes forward, we could...Angela and Jim,<br /><br />If no-one comes forward, we could ask for a lookup on the Ancestry message board/Rootsweb mailing list for Fairfield County CT and offer to pay the registrar's fee. That death record would sure be interesting to see.Peter Bushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09179862082492810033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5946578971422285697.post-31919760012631608452012-05-25T14:25:37.642-04:002012-05-25T14:25:37.642-04:00Jo,
I couldn't agree with you more about the ...Jo,<br /><br />I couldn't agree with you more about the surreal aspects of the alleged bigamy by Stanley Sr. Add to the things you mentioned the likelihood, discussed in other comments, that after 1920 Stanley had close family members in both cities (sister Maryanna and brother-in-law Anton Pukelis in Chicago; mother Mary, stepfather Stanley Kollitsch/Coolidge, and siblings Charles and Statia/Stella in Bridgeport). I don't see how Stanley could have kept his wives and children a secret.<br /><br />On another point: Stanley's wife Michalina/Emma was probably born in Kraziai, not Raseiniai. Both her 1912 passenger list and her 1914 church marriage record said she came from Kraziai and would have been based on information she herself supplied. Information on the 1947 death certificate that she was born in Raseiniai would have been provided by a relative or friend and is probably less reliable.Peter Bushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09179862082492810033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5946578971422285697.post-22489967082535087192012-05-25T12:17:41.983-04:002012-05-25T12:17:41.983-04:00Angela:
Especially in a boarding house situation,...Angela:<br /><br />Especially in a boarding house situation, this becomes more an more of a possibility. I have found numerous examples in my research where the age was wrong. <br /><br />I would believe someone in the general Bridgeport area could trot over to the town hall and find this very quickly. Unfortunately, I am almost 600 miles away or I would do it myself. <br /><br />JimJim Owstonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13489905161227202406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5946578971422285697.post-12706449314914459672012-05-25T11:56:19.892-04:002012-05-25T11:56:19.892-04:00Jim,
That is why I mentioned it. It is important t...Jim,<br />That is why I mentioned it. It is important to consider all of the information. But another thing to consider about the age is that someone in the house may have guessed. Though 49 is quite older than 28/29, it may have been another transcription error, or it may not be our guy.<br /><br />Since the CT Stanley seems to have died between 1933 and 1935 (according to 1935 directory listing for Millie, widow of Stanley), a death is the obvious next step to see who he is. Unfortunately, because I don't know the date of his death, I cannot use VitalCheck to order the certificate.<br /><br />Is there anyone local who could do this more quickly?<br /><br /><br />Angela Kraft-<br />Leaves of Heritage Genealogy<br />"Let's shake some history from your family tree!"smAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5946578971422285697.post-8548992834484516862012-05-25T06:49:11.452-04:002012-05-25T06:49:11.452-04:00I checked again and he is listed as 49. This is a...I checked again and he is listed as 49. This is a bit old for Stanley as he would have been about 28 in 1920.<br /><br />JimJim Owstonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13489905161227202406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5946578971422285697.post-63125309880832282882012-05-25T06:10:35.586-04:002012-05-25T06:10:35.586-04:00Angela:
I looked at several lists of Lithuanian f...Angela:<br /><br />I looked at several lists of Lithuanian first names and I am not sure what it is - but as you determined it is the same name as the line before it. Your explanation of a copying error is certainly plausible.<br /><br />JimJim Owstonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13489905161227202406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5946578971422285697.post-66539422358162796502012-05-25T01:10:09.819-04:002012-05-25T01:10:09.819-04:00As genealogists, most of us are aware that the cen...As genealogists, most of us are aware that the census records we read may be copies, not images of the originals, since enumerators were required to make multiple copies of each return to be filed in various places. (http://www.ancestry.com/wiki/index.php?title=Overview_of_the_U.S._Census)<br /><br /> With this consideration, it is possible that the images available at Ancestry.com are copies that were mis-transcribed. <br /><br />I found a census page for 1920 Chicago for a Sudeikis living as a lodger with a family on Wood Street. His name begins with an M and looks like Mihoney, however, the name listed before his is also this same first name, and the name listed after his is Stanley. He is listed as married and having arrived in 1913. The age is off, however. I propose that this might be our Stanley Sudeikis, Sr. as I have not found a Mihoney Sudeikis in subsequent returns, nor have I found a Stanley Ambriatis (the name below the Sedeikis listing).<br /><br />http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=View&r=an&dbid=6061&iid=4300179_01033&fn=Mihony&ln=Sudeikis&st=r&ssrc=pt_t42043466_p19720942625_kpidz0q3d19720942625z0q26pgz0q3d32768z0q26pgPLz0q3dpid_m1&pid=82473452<br /><br /><br />Why he is not with his wife is still unknown. Perhaps she was tending to her brother for some reason, it being natural for her to have her son with her while her husband worked. Maybe they were down on their luck living where they could. Who knows?<br /><br /><br />On his 1930 Chicago census it states that Stanley was naturalized. This would be another avenue of exploration.<br /><br />I agree that this season's episodes were far sloppier than last season. I can't speak to the accuracy of the first season, as I missed out on it.<br /><br />Angela-<br />Leaves of Heritage Genealogy<br />"Let's shake some history from your family tree!" smAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5946578971422285697.post-67265460487036544742012-05-25T00:37:46.585-04:002012-05-25T00:37:46.585-04:00Jo:
While you brought out some excellent addition...Jo:<br /><br />While you brought out some excellent additional points, you captured the spirit of my frustration with this particular episode. The genealogical/historical proof appears to have been compromised for a good story. <br /><br />JimJim Owstonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13489905161227202406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5946578971422285697.post-19234231385720032402012-05-24T23:02:23.229-04:002012-05-24T23:02:23.229-04:00I admit I haven't read every word that appears...I admit I haven't read every word that appears above, so I might have missed some things. I noticed that on the 1930 census, the CT Stanley Sr arrived in the US in 1908 and is an alien. The Chicago Stanley Sr says he arrived in 1913 and is naturalized. I'm used to arrival dates being different on different censuses but not with a 5 yr gap. Also, why would the Chicago Stanley be a citizen and the CT one not be if they were the same person? Did anyone look for naturalization records? The only thing I found online for Chicago is a database of Declaration of Intentions. Stanley wasn't in it (so far as I could find) but he could well have declared his intention elsewhere. I also looked for a passenger record for 1913. I found one for 24 Jul 1913 on the ship Pennsylvania, a Stanislaw Sadauckas aged 19 of the Lithuanian race or people going to see his uncle in Philadelphia. Some of ths record is easy to read and some not so. I have no background in Lithuanian and couldn't read the uncle's name. <br /><br />The IL deaths and stillbirths index 1916-1947 on Ancestry lists Emma Sudeikis as being born in Raseinui, Lithuania. Her parents are also listed as being born there. They are named as John Belskis and Anna Genduain. Interestingly, I could not find the daughter Michalina in this index. <br /><br />I have a bigamist in my family so I'm way past the emotional response which would hinder my thinking. My problems with the Stanley situation are that I don't understand how this bigamy worked. He does not seem to have left the one family and gone to establish the other (as mine did). Nor did he live in two places close enough together to allow him to go back and forth easily. How did he keep his two jobs, gardener and Press Punch (was that a printing/publishing company or was he the operator of a punch press which stamps shapes out of sheet metal)? Why did he claim such divergent arrival dates? Why be naturalized in Chicago and not in CT? USCIS should have his naturalization and if he did truly arrive in 1913, 1918 would be the first year he could get naturalized. Actually, since he was only 19 (or less) when he arrived, he might have had to wait until 5 yrs after he turned 21 (I'm not sure about the rules). <br /><br />What I am sure about is that when doing a surname search for Sudeikis, one finds far more of them than I would have expected. Stanislaw/Stanley seems a fairly common Eastern European name and Joseph is pretty common everywhere. Additionally, names run in families so that once there is one Stanislaw or Joseph, there are likely to be others. So, I think the burden of proof needs to be on evidence that "proves" that these two Stanleys are the same man. I certainly do not think that WDYTYA did prove this. -------Jo-------Johttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11921136784000325813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5946578971422285697.post-61332178592313901752012-05-23T19:50:17.211-04:002012-05-23T19:50:17.211-04:00Good work Peter.
I have found four Joseph Sudei...Good work Peter. <br /><br />I have found four Joseph Sudeikis listings for that area of Pennsylvania. Two in the 1900 census, one in the 1910, and one in the 1920. <br /><br />1900<br />Living Mahanoy City, Schuylkill, PA<br />Joseph born August 1850; Immigrated 1884<br />Wife: Mary married 20 years<br />Children: <br />Francis<br />Constantine<br />Mary<br />Joseph<br />Barbara<br />Nicholas<br />Charles<br />Slatia<br /><br />1900<br />Living in Mahanoy City, Schuylkill, PA<br />Joseph born Nov. 1862; Immigrated 1888<br />Wife: Francis [sic] married 8 years. <br />Child: Carrie<br /><br />1910<br />Living in Mahanoy City, Schuylkill, PA<br />Joseph born 1865; Immigrated 1888<br />Wife: Maggie - married 12 years. <br />Children:<br />Joseph<br />William<br />Anthony<br />Ella<br />Annie<br /><br /><br />1920<br />Living in Sugar Notch, Luzerne <br />Joseph born circa 1865; Immigrated 1895<br />Single<br /><br />JimJim Owstonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13489905161227202406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5946578971422285697.post-35478307909150156332012-05-23T11:12:30.087-04:002012-05-23T11:12:30.087-04:00Several documents mention the town of origin of t...Several documents mention the town of origin of the Sudeikis family in Lithuania. 1) The 1896 Hamburg passenger list for Joseph the miner gave his last residence as Swinge. 2) The 1900 New York and Hamburg passenger lists for his children Maryanna and Stanislaw (Stanley) gave their last residence as Wisbarry. 3) The record of Stanley's marriage to Michalina said he was from Zvingei. 4) The 1899 passenger list for Anna and Joseph, assumed to be children of Joseph, said their last residence was Corej. No passenger lists have been found to date for Joseph's wife Mary and their other children, but it's reasonable to assume they all came to the US between 1896 and 1900. (According to the 1900 census, the two youngest children of Joseph and Mary were born in Pennsylvania, so Mary must have arrived by 1898 at the latest).<br /><br /> I have been working with Jim Paprocki, a friend who does a lot of Eastern European research, to identify these towns and their locations in Lithuania. We are relatively certain that “Wisbarry” is Visbarai, and that “Swinge” and “Zvingei” are Zvingiai. These towns are in Taurage county/region and are about two miles from each other as the crow flies, though they are on opposite sides of the Jura River. We have not yet found a town in Lithuania that looks or sounds like Corej; it's possible that we have misinterpreted the handwriting in the ship passenger list, which is difficult to read. <br /><br />Unfortunately there are few Lithuanian vital records available to American researchers online or on microfilm. It doesn't appear that the WDYTYA researchers hired anyone in Lithuania to check the church and vital records in Visbarai and Zvingiai. That's a pity, because the exact birthdate of Stanley could be very important in resolving the “two Stanleys versus one Stanley” issue if there are American records – such as a draft registration form, death certificate, or burial record – that mention his date of birth. <br /><br />P.S. Stanley's wife, Michalina Bielska, was from the town of Kraziai, which is not particularly close to Zvingiai and Visbarai. See her church marriage record and her 1912 passenger list.Peter Bushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09179862082492810033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5946578971422285697.post-71023125706941804102012-05-22T19:43:43.312-04:002012-05-22T19:43:43.312-04:00Tavner:
You are correct. That would settle it onc...Tavner:<br /><br />You are correct. That would settle it once and for all. Thanks for your comments. <br /><br />JimJim Owstonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13489905161227202406noreply@blogger.com